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Post by oisin on Nov 11, 2004 7:00:16 GMT -5
Hi First time on forum all the way from Ireland and yes it is raining at the moment, another soft day as we say! Could anyone tell me how to link up my Zoom MRS 1044 with my MBox (new present) so that I can use editing, mastering etc on pro tools? I prefer guitar patches on Zoom to MBox and would like to a) import guitar patches into pro tools and/or b) record guitar track(s) on zoom and transfer over to a track(s) on pro tools. I just know someone out there has been waiting for this question so come on guys! Barry  |
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Post by Brett on Nov 11, 2004 7:33:43 GMT -5
i Barry,
Welcome on the board!
I haven't woprked with the Zoom yet but I have searched for it's specifications. The only outputs seem analog, am I right?
In that case you can only send an analog out of the Zoom to the line in of the mbx, buty that way the zoom will only act as some sort of preamp. I'm not sure you can sync the two with some kind of MTC. ... anyone an idea?
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Post by Brett on Nov 11, 2004 7:37:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I just saw the Zoom also has a SPDIF out, so naturally you should use that one when you want to transfer recorded parts or mixed files to your MBox. But that still doesn't sync them though  |
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Post by bennychico11 on Nov 11, 2004 9:04:12 GMT -5
by guitar patches you mean the effects on the zoom right? again, i'd say use the inserts (refer to my response to someone other's question about using effects w/ mbox). i'm not familiar with the device either, but if it's like any other device where you can effect the input of the signal without having to record anything....buy some insert cables, patch the SEND of the cable to the IN of the zoom....select the effect you want...patch out of the analog OUT left to the insert RETURN of the cable....then plug the other end of the cable to the insert on the mbox. This way you just record the track in Pro tools, and lay down the effect later to it. this would take care of the syncing problem and you'd be using the Zoom as an effects processor otherwise, you could also do what i suggested of patch out of the output 1 of the mbox, to the IN of the Zoom....out of the zoom outputs to the Source 1 (Line) of the mbox. and monitor just through one channel of the speaker. i hope i made sense. lol. good luck, and welcome.  |
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Post by oisin on Nov 11, 2004 9:34:45 GMT -5
Tks Brett
Could you tell me more about how I use the SPDIF connection on the Zoom to connect to MBox, I'm a bit of a luddite when it comes to this sort of stuff, if i have a guitar track recorded on the Zoom (matching tempos and bpm with pro tolls session manually) how do I get this as a track on a session in Pro Tools?
Appreciate your time on this and thanks for welcome, site and forum is great.
Barry
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Post by reshp1 on Nov 11, 2004 10:14:32 GMT -5
Using SPDIF coaxial cables (I think normal RCA works too, but not sure, the manual says "Use two 75-ohm coaxial cables with male RCA connectors on both ends"), connect the SPDIF out of your Zoom to the SPDIF in of you mbox, you can connect the SPDIF in of your Zoom to the Mbox out if you'd like.
In Protools, go to Setups>Hardware Setups:
Select SPDIF instead of analog for channels 1-2 and set the clock source to external or SPDIF (I can't remember which they call it). You should now be able to see your digital audio on your record enabled tracks
Let me know if you can't follow this, I'm at work and trying to recall all the steps from memory, but I may have missed one.
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Post by oisin on Nov 12, 2004 4:55:56 GMT -5
reshp
Thanks for advice. The spdif output on Zoom is optical so it isn't the same size as the spdif input on MBox so I couldn't buy a cable off the shelf with this specification. What I did get was an RCA cable which, I was told, I could plug into the 2 master out stereo RCA jacks on Zoom and then connect the other single connection end into the SPDIF in on the MBox. I will try this later after work but presuming this works as a connection and I follow the steps you already outlined in terms of going to set-up, choosing SPDIF etc how exactly from there do I record the contents of a track on zoom onto a track in a pro tools session. Sorry if these questions are a bit basic but I'm new to all this!
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Post by reshp1 on Nov 12, 2004 7:03:48 GMT -5
Oh no! I didn't know your SPDIF was optical. Okay, that changes a couple of things for sure.
First off, going from the RCA main outs of the Zoom to the SPDIF RCA will NOT work. The main outs are analog, SPDIF needs to be digital. Without getting into it too much, the two are entirely different.
Unfortunately, the Mbox doesn't have an optical input. And there's no adapter that'll change the optical signal into an electrical signal. Optical is fiber optics and uses light, the RCA variety uses an electrical signal.
There might be a converter, anybody have any suggestions?
So short answer is that there isn't really a way to go from the Zoom SPDIF to Mbox. That said, you can still connect the two using the normal analog I/O of the two devices. Yes, there is a tiny bit of degradation from going from digital to analog back to digital, but it's really not noticable at all.
Let us know if you need help connecting the analog signals.
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Post by oisin on Nov 12, 2004 7:48:27 GMT -5
so I just use the inserts (TRS) on the back of the MBox not Source 1 or 2 and leave it set at Analogue in Hardware set-up? I presume I just press play on the Zoom and record enable on a track opened in pro tolls?
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Post by reshp1 on Nov 12, 2004 8:44:28 GMT -5
If you just want to record the output of the Zoom, plug the TRS's into source 1-2 of the Mbox, and main outs of the Zoom.
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Post by bennychico11 on Nov 12, 2004 8:53:20 GMT -5
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Post by oisin on Nov 12, 2004 10:45:51 GMT -5
Thanks for webpage links, both products look perfect, I'll give them a try if the analogue solution doesn't work out. Cheers Barry  |
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Post by oisin on Nov 13, 2004 17:22:33 GMT -5
Hi
Analogue connections worked fine and transferred well. Thanks so much to all for help.
On a separate issue, although they both worked perfectly to begin with now when I put Amplitube or T-Racks on any track it only stays on the track while I have the session open, when I close down and go back in, while the insert view is showing that I have chosen T-Racks/Amp on that track it has not held the setting that I last put in. At one stage a message came up saying T-R acks and Amp were inactive because of insufficient resources (my RAM is 1GB), I was still able to use them during session but is this the problem, also I am currently just working off the internal hard drive (80GB) while I continue to doodle and get to know system, any ideas?
Barry
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Post by reshp1 on Nov 15, 2004 7:48:16 GMT -5
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Post by oisin on Nov 15, 2004 16:48:50 GMT -5
Thanks, just done it and it worked for Amplitube not for T-Racks, message came up again in relation to T-Racks saying that it was inactive due to insufficient computer resources and then a message came up to say that 'a fatal exception has occurred, Pro Tools must exit, a log file has been written to C Drive etc.' Anyone else ever get this message? I've banged it off to IK support to see what they can do on it.
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